What language was hardest for you to grasp?
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Are you A) trying to avoid the "hardest" B) looking for good challenge C) conducting a study on how programmers think (Is there a trend?) |
E) Curiosity
also
F) Hearing people say c++ is "hard" makes me feel proud for mastering it too, i didn't want to mention this but since you ask
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| Thanks for your opinions everyone! Sorry for my lack of activity, unsuprisingly i was busy on a c++ project. Is it ok to showcase your own cocos2d-x c++ game here, in the lounge? |
| Which coding language was the intricate for you to learn? |
From hardest to simplest:
-- BF, I did not get too far with it, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
-- ooREXX, this object orientet stuff is a cultural clash for me, see https://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx/
-- HP41 assembler,
-- FORTRAN,
and the rest about the same:
-- REXX,
-- HP41 user language
-- BASIC
I am at the very beginning with C++, so I can not rate it yet. I consider to redo in C++ a pen plotter simulation (role model HP7470A) and a printer simulation (almost an HP82162A) I did in ooREXX. Both receive data via Virtual HPIL (based on TCP/IP) from emulated HP calculators. The printer forwards data via UDP to an already existing simulation. If case you are really nosy take a look here:
http://www.hp41.org/LibView.cfm?Command=View&ItemID=1355
http://www.hp41.org/LibView.cfm?Command=View&ItemID=1354
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Best of wishes on learning c++, looks like it will be the most popular of your programming languages
Thank you for your good wishes. The most prefered will stay REXX with Pipelines on z/VM. Part of this preference is "the worlds best programmers' editor" XEDIT. Probably also for what I use it: manipulate data, analyse data, transform data to use it elsewhere. Even I regard me as an experienced user of Excel, I prefere the mainframe.
Example:
Well, that is a soemwhat extreme example, several lines of comment and only three lines of code. It's a different approach than bit-shifting in C/C++
The first 4 lines of output look like this:
for corresponding input (here shown in hex): 090021C018...
Now you may imagine, that it will take some time until C++ will outreach it.
Example:
/* JFG2HPM REXX: JFGbin to hpmclist */
/**
*** J'ai utilisé un format permettant de
*** compacter 4 words de 10 bits en 5 bytes:
***
*** byte contenu
*** 0 word0[7-0]
*** 1 word0[9-8] + word1[5-0]*4
*** 2 word1[9-6] + word2[3-0]*16
*** 3 word2[9-4] + word3[1-0]*64
*** 4 word3[9-2]
**/
'callpipe *:!fblock 5!reverse!vchar 10 16!reverse!fblock 2',
'!spec recno from 40960 d2x 1.4 r 2 c2x nw.1 r 1 c2x n!*:'
exit rc |
Well, that is a soemwhat extreme example, several lines of comment and only three lines of code. It's a different approach than bit-shifting in C/C++
The first 4 lines of output look like this:
A000 009 A001 040 A002 002 A003 063 |
for corresponding input (here shown in hex): 090021C018...
Now you may imagine, that it will take some time until C++ will outreach it.
Have to agree about IBM's awesome text editor XEDIT: it was my route to mainframe Fortran.
Now I use THE (The Hessling Editor) on a PC under windows (from the command line) but configured to work exactly like XEDIT on a mainframe. Its prefix commands and inbuilt macros beat anything that bloated IDEs can provide.
Now I use THE (The Hessling Editor) on a PC under windows (from the command line) but configured to work exactly like XEDIT on a mainframe. Its prefix commands and inbuilt macros beat anything that bloated IDEs can provide.
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| exactly like XEDIT on a mainframe |
So you may write macros for it in REXX?
On the mainframe there exists one that gives you the same prefix commands working on colums -- a must have.
********************** IBM Internal Use Only ************************* * :nick.COL :sec.IBM Internal Use Only :disk.VMTOOLS * :title.IBM XEDIT Column Editing/VM (XCOL) * :version.1.17 :date.93/05/14 :summary.ANNOUNCE :support.AC * :oname.Gary Vair :onode.BLDVMB :ouser.VAIR * :aname.Gary Vair :anode.BLDVMB :auser.VAIR * :sw.xedit * :ops.VM/SP4 :lang.rexx * :doc.bookmaster * :kwd.col xedit xcol column spread sheet hor * :abs.Xedit macro to copy, move, delete and insert column data. Column * operations include math (simple spread sheet), sort, sum, justify, * number, copy existing text forward (or removing duplicate text), * excluding columns from XEDIT operations and much more. * The COL macro is available to customers under the product name * "IBM XEDIT Column Editing/VM (XCOL)" PRPQ 5799-EGZ. |
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